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The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by Theleekycauldron talk 02:58, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that Mary A. Wray was the oldest living American actress at the time of her death in 1892?~~ Source: The Oldest Actress Dead, Recent death: The Oldest Actress
- ALT1: ~~... that Mary A. Wray, a celebrated American actress of the 19th century, was considered the oldest representative of the American stage at the time of her death in 1892?~~ Source: A Woman of the Century
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Henry Street salamander tunnels

Created by Xoak (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 12 past nominations.

X (talk) 05:20, 21 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]

New enough, long enough, and neutral with all reliable sources. The hook is directly cited. I assume good faith on the book reference. I prefer the first hook. A QPQ is needed. SL93 (talk) 18:53, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@SL93: QPQ done. Re AGF, you could also access them by Wikipedia Library repositories such as Newspapers.com and NewspaperArchive.com. But Google News archive in itself is freely accessible and reliable. And yes, let's go with ALT0. Regards. X (talk) 06:43, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Xoak

I was only referring to the Moulton source, which I just now noticed I could have read from the external links section. This is now ready to go. SL93 (talk) 08:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looking back at this, this should be promoted without "celebrated". SL93 (talk) 15:48, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Xoak and SL93: bearing in mind that the only sources we have for this superlative claim are 1892 obituaries, I don't think these hooks are viable—per WP:CONTEXTFACTS, I'd need to see a secondary source (preferably somewhat recent) make either of those claims, or a new hook entirely. Seeing as this has remained unpromoted for more than a month, I suspect my fellow promoters are of the same opinion. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:10, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Or they could just say that, instead of doing the nonsensical thing of not saying anything to give the nominator a chance to fix the issue. SL93 (talk) 21:22, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Xoak, SL93, and AirshipJungleman29: hook is incorrect, unfortunately. Leontyna Halpertowa was born in 1803 and lived until 1895. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 05:42, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

oh, sorry, do the sources say "American"? lemme look... theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 05:43, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

yep. nuts. i'll keep looking. Still, I would agree with AJ that we've been fooled by "first" in usually-accepted-as-RSes too many times to accept a source from the time on its own word. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 05:43, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am rejecting this nomination due to the unresolved issues. Theleekycauldron, this can probably be closed as failed now. SL93 (talk) 02:39, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]